Thursday, April 28, 2016

Update on the Raiders in Las Vegas--4/28/16--The Silver and Black State.

Mike Davis, the owner of the Raiders, has committed a half billion of his own dollars to build a stadium in Las Vegas.  I do not know all of the details, and I can't find a good rendering, however, this is what I know.

Funding does not look like it will be a problem, with most of the cost coming from the Raiders and some of the casino owners in town.  However, it will take some city money to provide the underlying infrastructure as sports facilities have greater SWPPP requirements than other projects.  There are also parking structures and other such items to build, which often a city will pay for as long as there is year-round use for it.  The commitment from the community will be minimal.  Which I understand could happen with simply a minor increase in hotel taxes.  Most visitors won't know the difference, as they go to Sin City to lose money, anyway.  What's an extra buck or two on a hotel when you lose your shirt?

Here are some other details that I have been able to glean.  The final stadium may vary from this.  These things always change from the early planning stages.

-The new stadium will seat 65,000...possibly expandable to 75,000 to host the Super Bowl and provide extra seating for other special events.  But the latter detail is not confirmed.
-It will either be domed stadium, or with a retractable roof.
-The stadium would likely also be the new home of UNLV football and the Las Vegas Bowl in addition to the Raiders.  This wouldn't only facility in the NFL that is shared with a local college team on a permanent basis.  Until recently, the Saints shared their home with Tulane.  The Buccaneers share their home with USF.  The Eagles and Temple play in the same stadium.  The Chargers and San Diego State also share a stadium, but it is unclear if this will continue with the new stadium in San Diego.  Qualcomm field is close to campus, and SDSU may remain there...with some renovations, of course.  There are many other examples from the past that I do not need to mention, I think you get the point.
-The stadium could also host the NCAA final four, if it has either a permanent or retractable roof.
-The stadium will likely host premiere boxing matches and other similar events.
-The stadium could be the home of a new annual music festival.
-The stadium may also host an MLS franchise, and the field will likely be soccer-friendly.

The state and city were already in negotiation with UNLV to build a new stadium, however, the traction was not there to give the Rebels a new football filed, at least not yet.  Below is what UNLV was trying to build, but they couldn't get the state allow UNLV to pay their share of the construction costs.  Which could be an obstacle still, but with Davis's Benjamins, it could now be a reality.  And the share that UNLV would have to pay might be less, much less.   The Raiders stadium might look something like this, but on a grander scale, and may not.  In this shot, the roof is cut-away.  At the side of the stadium we can't see in this view (Not the end zone, but the sideline), there is a large stage, running goal-line to goal line, which could hold the extra seats needed to host the Super Bowl.  There is also an large LCD screen above the state.

Here is a view from the inside:

There are some other roadblocks to getting the Raiders there in the meantime.  Mostly, that pro sports leagues, not just the NFL, are hesitant to locate in Las Vegas...but this blog has already addressed that issue.  I have one thing to add, however.  There are three NCAA conferences, the Mountain West, the PAC-12 and the WCC that have their men's and women's conference championship tournaments in Las Vegas.  The most intriguing of these is the WCC, which is is the home of ultra-conservative, stone-cold sober, BYU and 9 other private, religious institutions.  Most of the WCC schools are Roman Catholic Jesuit schools who all very much against gambling and prostitution.  If the WCC can play in Vegas, so can the NFL.

Also, in spite of playing in one of the worst 3 stadiums currently in the NFL for 2016, the Oakland Raiders are nearly sold out of season tickets for the upcoming season.  That is part of the problem with sports moves.  You will leave fans behind.  The fans want the team to stay in Oakland.  They don't want to follow the team to Las Vegas, and are voting for their wallets.  This is why I think that Davis and Oakland should make one last effort to keep the team in the Bay Area.  Bring the A's, Warriors and Sharks together on this as well and work out a deal.

One other obstacle to overcome for the Raiders is that if they make the move, where would they play in 2017?  Certainly remaining in Oakland wouldn't work.  Sam Boyd Stadium, the current home of the UNLV Rebels, isn't exactly an NFL Stadium.  It currently holds just 40,000 if you put seats at the North (open) end.  It will take 2-3 years to build the new facility.  However, the Titans played one year at Vanderbilt stadium, which is about the same size as SBS while waiting for Nissan Stadium to finish.  The Bears played at Northwestern while Soldier Field was being renovated, which is only slightly larger.  The Vikings have been playing for the last 2 and 1/2 seasons at the University of Minnesota, which is larger, but not protected from the weather.  This may only be a slight concern.  There may be temporary considerations to help overcome concerns about the old Silver Bowl as a temporary home.

One last comment.  Why isn't Davis taking his half billion to Oakland and building there?  It has to do with the cost of living difference.  Companies aren't leaving California in droves, but many are moving some of their operations out of the Bay Area because of cost.  I work for one such company.  We are not moving everything to Utah, and certainly not the company headquarters, but much of it will be relocated here to save cost.

Because of cost, the half Billion that Davis is willing to spend on a new stadium will not go as far in Oakland.  Yes, he can build a stadium there, but it will not be as nice.  In Las Vegas, Davis can build something that will rival the new Rams stadium, or perhaps be the very nicest in the NFL.  But in Oakland, it will only be your average, median stadium, at best.  Plus, it will only be for the Raiders.  No Super Bowl, no Final Four, no Boxing, no music festival.

In conclusion, even though I think the Raiders owe it to their fans to make one last try to remain where they are, I understand why Mike Davis wants to move.  And if they do move to Las Vegas, which is only a 6 hour drive (plus crossing a time zone) from my home in the Salt Lake Valley, I might just go see a game (of course it will be on Monday Night).  I've never been to an NFL game, and it is on my bucket list.

Tuesday, April 19, 2016

Proposal for the Big Sky Conference

With New Mexico State and Idaho closer to accepting relegation, perhaps it is time for the Big Sky Conference to consider its options.  And the WAC finally kicking the bucket opens up a possibility.  And one options I think they should consider is splitting.  There is always the talk of how cool a conference championship game would be.  But at the FCS level, you do not get extra credit for being super large.  The BSC will have one and only one automatic NCAA bid whether the conference is at 20 members or 7.  The other problem is that conference members will have a harder time finding quality non-conference that they can travel to with a super-large conference.  Super Conferences aren't always the best solution.

Therefore, I suggest that the conference split once formally joined by Idaho and New Mexico State for football.  It can be a football-only split, as some members of the conference are football-only schools.

Big Sky Conference

Eastern Washington
Idaho State
Montana State
North Dakota
Portland State
Weber State

Western Rivers Conference

Cal Poly (Football Only)
UC Davis (Football Only)
San Diego  (Football Only)
Dixie State
Northern Arizona
Northern Colorado
New Mexico State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
Seattle (Non Football)
CSU Bakersfield (Non Football)
Utah Valley (Non Football)
Grand Canyon (Non Football)

This is what I have done.  The Original 5 members of the BSC make up the new BSC, rounded out by EWU, PSU and UND.  There is unity.  These are all public schools and with the exception of UND in place of Sacramento State, have been in the same conference for decades.

The new WRC, has the football only schools, put San Diego University, an outlier of the Pioneer conference.  but has 5 football schools as a base with the inclusion of DSU and NMSU for football.  There are the 4 other remnants from the non-football WAC joining the full-time schools for basketball and the so-called Olympic Sports.

The benefits will be a new conference and a second automatic bid to the NCAA football tournament and basketball tournament, etc.  And there will be help with scheduling.  And it team that finishes 8-3 will not be 5th in the conference.

Think about it.  A Big Sky is good, but a really big sky, not so much.

Sunday, March 6, 2016

MLS 2016 predictions

Here is my prediction for the 2016 season of Major League Soccer.


1.  Columbus
2.  New York Red Bulls
3.  DC United
4.  New England
5.  Orlando
6.  Montreal
7.  Toronto
8.  New York City FC
9.  Philadelphia
10.  Chicago


1.  FC Dallas
2.  Portland
3.  Vancouver
4.  Los Angeles
5.  Seattle
6.  Real Salt Lake
7.  Sporting Kansas City
8.  Houston
9.  San Jose
10.  Colorado

Raiders in Las Vegas and other options for Mike Davis

Las Vegas is not the place you would go during Lent...that much is certain.  And that is the reason none of the major professional sports leagues have been willing to locate a team there.  Las Vegas is still one of the fastest growing metro areas in the United States, and is now the largest such area in the US without a major sports franchise.

In spite of this, and the fact that a stadium could be built there without any public funds, do not expect the NFL to go there willingly.  They say, whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, however, it is much different when you live there.  And it is all exacerbated when you have young men who are making good money for the first time in their lives and don't know what to do with their extra time.

Eight of the top 15 employers in Las Vegas are involved in the gambling industry.  However, that is not all that is in Sin City.  It is also the western hub for Southwest Airlines, the second largest airline in the United States.  Wal Mart, Target and Home Depot have distribution centers there.  Health Care, like many cities in the southwest, is large because the mild climate and low cost of living is attractive to retirees.  But the percentage of people who work in the gaming industry is very high, and many people feel without others visiting the city to gamble, there wouldn't be much there at all.

But that is not really the reason behind the lack of support in going to Lav Vegas.  The real question is this, will athletes be able to keep out of trouble if we put a team there?  In this day and age, could this still be a reason to continue to shun Las Vegas.  After all, athletes in trouble makes headlines regularly.

Commercial casinos are now legal in 17 states.  12 of these 17 states are currently the home to NFL franchises.  However, in most of these states, gaming casinos are not right next door to the NFL stadiums.  In Colorado, for example, casinos can be found in old mining towns and on the reservation, not right across the street from Investco Field at Mile High, and really, now where near Denver.  Most states that have commercial gaming restrict the territory, making them destination sites.  The NFL allows its players to gamble, but limits what activities they can do.  Outside of former Colt Art Schliester and former 49ers Owner Eddie DeBartalo, Jr, the NFL has been relatively free of gambling controversies.

It is hard to say if gambling would be a problem if an NFL team came to Las Vegas.  But the temptation would certainly be there.  But there are other temptations in Sin City.  Prostitution is legal, and Nevada is the only state where it is.  All of this could lead to greater problems with domestic violence, which is something that the NFL needs less of.

However, what Las Vegas needs is a more diversified economy.  When the overall economy of the US is suffering, Las Vegas suffers as well, especially now that there are options for most Americans to gamble closer to home.  An NFL franchise, or an NBA, MLB, NHL or MLS franchise would help legitimize the city and attract more non-gaming business to the city.  Las Vegas needs this more than anything else right now.  Las Vegas would also be a great place to hold the Super Bowl, as there are plenty of hotels around town.

There are probably other options for the Raiders if they are unable to build a stadium in Oakland.  They could share the Rams new facility.  There are other proposed stadiums in the Los Angeles area that could work for the Raiders.  If the Chargers abandon San Diego, the Raiders could locate there.  They could build in the Central Valley, in either Sacramento or Fresno.  There are also a half dozen other cities around the country that the Raiders could move to, like Portland, Salt Lake, San Antonio, Birmingham, or Southern Virginia.  There is even room for a third franchise in the New York area, perhaps one that actually has a stadium in one of the Five Burroughs.  Finally, they could locate north of the border in either Vancouver or Toronto.  And for that matter, could even move to Mexico City, Monterrey or Guadalajara.

However, let me pitch one final idea.  Let's move the Warriors out of Oakland after this season.  There is a new area going up in San Francisco for the Warriors, let's move them to the SAP Center in San Jose, home of the NHL's Sharks.  Then immediately after the NBA season is finished (and for the Warriors, it looks like it will be early June this year) raise the Oracle Arena and begin construction on a new stadium for the Raiders.  Once the Raiders are able to move out of, then the stadium can be permanently remodeled as a baseball only facility for the Athletics.

However, what makes sense rarely happens and it will be fun to see how this all plays out.

Idaho kicked out of Sun Belt Conference

As announced by the Sun Belt Conference last week, Idaho as a football-only member has been summarily dismissed.  2017 will be the last season the Vandals will compete in the Sun Belt Conference for football.  There are not a lot of options left for Idaho, and most of this was their own doing.  The same was announced for New Mexico State.

There were probably two reasons why the Sun Belt Conference made this move.  First, it was to trim expenses.  It would be better if Moscow, Idaho was located near a major hub airport, but they are not.  Getting from Monroe, Louisiana to Moscow isn't cheap, and involves two or three airplane changes.  Getting to the rest of the Sun Belt can easily be done by bus, which is a cheaper option.  The other reason is the that Vandals have not been competitive since joining the Sun Belt.  And in the current world of College Sports, the Sun Belt needs every member to excel and become competitive.

There are some options for Idaho, but they are limited.  First is to try and join another conference.  However, if the Mountain West or Conference USA wanted Idaho, they would already be there.  I would put a caveat to that statement.  Conference USA probably is a realistic option for New Mexico State, should future realignment cost that conference a member and they (the NMSU Aggies) are a natural rival with UTEP and other C-USA members.  However, Idaho is well outside of the C-USA footprint, and don't really have the pull the NMSU has to get in.

Idaho could compete as an independent in football, and didn't exactly have the trouble scheduling games as an independent that people thought they would.  NMSU may also compete as an independent with them.  There is always BYU to schedule, and perhaps and agreement can be made to bring the Cougars to Moscow.  However, this is not a sustainable model, and the only school that really seems committed to long-term independence is Army.  Notre Dame has a scheduling agreement with the ACC.  BYU is desperately trying to woo the Big 12.

It would not be completely off kilter for Idaho to hold on to the FBS for a couple of years, perhaps until the end of the decade.  There are rumblings of more conference realignment and that could benefit the Vandals to where the MWC or C-USA would welcome them.

One other option for Idaho is to attempt to form a new FBS conference along with some of the more successful FCS programs like Montana and North Dakota State.  But it seems like these schools would rather be a big fish in a little pond and you may not find enough schools willing to make the jump right now.

However, the best bet for Idaho is to take a standing invitation for returned full membership in the Big Sky Conference.  There are several reason why this makes good sense.  First, they could drop a couple of non-revenue sports to reduce the cost of the athletic department.  They could pay their assistant coaches less.  They would not have as many scholarship football athletes.  They could resume rivalries against schools that are geographically close like Montana, Eastern Washington and Idaho State.  The expenses may drop more dramatically than the revenue.  If so, this is the best move.

The senior leaders at Idaho get paid big money to make hard decisions.  At Idaho, they have a hard decision to make right now.  I don't envy them.  Whatever they decide to do, I hope for the best.

Monday, January 18, 2016

More on why the Rams had to move...and the lessons to be learned.

Sporting News recently ranked all 31 NFL stadiums...they included Wembly the London home of the National Football League.  If you look at the list, you will see that it is not necessarily new that makes the top of the list, as Lambeau Field is #1, it is attention to the overall fan experience.  I highly recommend looking over the list.

The problem with St. Louis is that the entire focus on the stadium was luxury boxes.  It was believed back in the mid 1990s that to focus on luxury boxes would bring a team revenue, and with that revenue the team would be able to sign high-priced free agents.  That never happened in St. Louis because they forgot of the rank-and-file, Average Joe who would pay a much higher percentage of his paycheck for season ticket.  It was the lack of Average Joe at St. Louis Rams games that caused the end of the St. Louis Rams.  This is why one of the oldest stadiums in the NFL, the one on the other side of the Show Me State, is still one of the best in the NFL in spite of its age.  It is a great place for Average Joe to blow a mid-month paycheck.

In addition to this lack of focus is a lack of other things for fans to do outside the stadium on game day.  There are very few places to park that allow tailgating.  There are not very many bars and restaurants nearby.  But the baseball park, where the St. Louis Cardinals play is another story.  The baseball cardinals are, in fact, one of the best attended teams in baseball.

Here are the bottom 5 NFL stadiums according to Sporting News

31. Colosseum, Raiders

If you look at the picture at the Sporting News site, you see the problem. also serves as home to the Athletics of Baseball.  And there are bleachers that give football fans sideline access for Raider games, which are retracted for baseball as they are in the baseball outfield.  The problem, as you can see from the photo, is those sideline fans are in the sun, and have to compete with the brightest star of all to see much of the game, particularly on one side of the 50 yard line.  There is also little outside the stadium for the fan to enjoy before or after the game.  After 20 years back in Oakland, that renovation is still being paid for by the Raiders because fans have stayed home in droves.

As for a solution, here is what has been proposed.  It's complicated, but here goes.  The Golden State Warriors will be moving to a new arena in San Francisco in 2018.  The plan would be to temporarily move the Warriors to the SAP arena.  The Oracle Arena, which is on the same site as the, would be razed so that a new baseball stadium for the Athletics can be built.  In the mean time, move the Raiders to Levi's Stadium or California Memorial Stadium, temporarily.  Once the Athletics are out of, raze that stadium for a new Raiders stadium.  This will take some time, at least 5 years, before dirt is moved for a new stadium for the Raiders, and is sounds a lot like what went down in Cincinnati a few years ago for the Bengals.  That did not turn out so well.

30.  Qualcomm Stadium, Chargers

It's just old, and has simply been in limbo too long.  The locker room floods.  Fans are staying away in droves.

29.  Georgia Dome, Falcons

It has served its purpose and now the Falcons are two seasons from moving on.  This is much like the story in St. Louis, where the focus was on luxury boxes while the rank and file fans had so suffer from poor sight lines and an inconsistent team

38.  Fed Ex Field, Redskins

In terms of sight lines, the stadium isn't terrible, and the VIPs have it just as bad as the rank and file fans.  They have tried some things to improve the situation, and those things have failed, just like the team on the field, which was one of the best in the NFL at the old place.  Major League Soccer's DC United is the sole tenant at the old place, and soon they will have a new place.  Redskins ownership is now talking about wrecking the old place and building a new place for the team at the sight of the old place.

37.  Edward Jones Dome, Rams

See above.

Best NFL Stadiums

5. Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs

This one was ahead of its time.

4. Century Link Field, Seahawks

3. Levi's Stadium, 49ers.

There is even an amusement park nearby.

2. AT&T Stadium, Cowboys

1. Lambeau Field, Packers

Saturday, January 16, 2016

The Rams are back in LA

As you probably no by now, the Los Angeles Rams have been reborn at the cost of the good taxpayers of the city of St. Louis, who still owe quite a bit of moola on the stadium that the Rams are abandoning.

Fair or not, these are the breaks in the world of professional sports today.  However, as good as St. Louis was for the Rams, it was really a comedy of errors and it can be argued that the Rams should not have moved there.  St. Louis is the 19th largest CSA in the United States.  That puts them just ahead of Pittsburgh, Charlotte and Sacramento and just behind Portland and Orlando.  Out of these six areas, only Pittsburgh is now the home of 3 sports teams from the 5 major sports leagues in the United States.  St. Louis is still the home of Baseball's Cardinals and Hockey's Blues.  Where Portland and Orlando have Basketball and Soccer.  Charlotte is the home of Basketball's Hornets and Football's Panthers.  Sacramento is only home for basketball's Kings.  It seems that in a city the size of St. Louis, two sports teams seems like enough, where three might be too much.

Not having football in LA has mostly been negative.  Sure there are some positives, for example, you could walk into a sports bar in LA wearing any teams colors you wanted to on a Sunday in the fall and not worry about offending the home crowd.  However, anywhere from nine to thirteen current NFL franchises have held their own cities hostage for new stadiums with the threat of moving to a vacant Los Angeles market.

However, it will not really be all that difficult to get new stadiums built in the United States.  There are plenty of other cities that teams can threaten to move to, such as Portland, the 17th largest market in the US, and now the largest without an NFL franchise.  St. Louis, which would gladly risk getting burned a 3rd time by an NFL team, now the 2nd largest market without the NFL.  Sacramento, which only has the Kings to compete against, now the 3rd largest market without an NFL franchise.   Las Vegas has no professional sports and is not much smaller than St. Louis. Oakland, blocked from going back to LA seems willing to find another city as getting a new stadium in Oakland seems far-fetched.  The Jaguars are another teams that is struggling at the gate, and could be looking for a new home in the near future as well.

Times change in the US.  Cities are growing and others are shrinking.  As of now, other than Green Bay, Buffalo is the smallest city in the US that hosts a major sports franchise.  Yes, and efforts are underway to provided both the Bills and the Sabers with new, up to date homes.  However, smaller cities are going to have to build new facilities as a faster rate than larger cities, and the burden on the taxpayer in those cities will be greater and greater.  While larger cities, with larger tax bases are going without.  The Rams are moving to a new stadium, in 2-3 seasons, that is not financed by taxpayers at all.  The new stadium will be surrounded by offices, shopping and condos.  The former Hollywood park site will become a new model for sports facilities in the future if we are lucky.  That is bad new for cities that want to hold on to their teams, but good news for tax-strapped cities of the future.  With this model, it won't be long before someone moves to Las Vegas or another city that has lots of empty real-estate, where a new venue could be the center of a shopping/office space/residential mecca.

I am not saying that the Buffalo Bills should move to Harrisburg.  And I'm sure that there isn't the talent for the NFL to grow larger under the current NFL talent development model.  However, the NFL should look at how to grow their talent pool and expand.  One thing that keeps baseball and hockey growing, and keeps soccer the most popular sport in the world, is they way that they develop talent.  The NFL could look at this model, have teams in LA and keep a team in St. Louis and other places.  With the LA model that keeps taxpayer dollars out of sports venues, teams will move at a faster pace.

For us who are fans of that Utah Jazz, this is a warning.  It might be time to look into a new home for the Jazz.  The Vivint Home Solutions arena is one of the oldest in the NBA.  There are markets larger than Salt Lake that do not have an NBA franchise.  Five of them, to be exact.  And there are a couple of cities that are going faster than Salt Lake and will pass up SLC as SLC has passed up several cities in the past 20 years.  Yes, the Jazz are struggling on the court right now.  And no, no one is looking to buy the Jazz and move them.  And I know that the Miller family will never move them, and I don't believe the Miller family is looking to sell them.  But lets not take the matter lightly.  If we are not careful, we could end up rooting for the Kansas City Jazz.  However, to our credit, in spite of the futility on the court in recent seasons, being in one of the smaller markets in the NBA, being in one of the older arenas in the NBA the Jazz are still in the top 10 in NBA attendance.  This is not a team that you move.  There are plenty of places around the Salt Lake Valley where an LA-type development, where you have the NBA arena at the center of a mixed-use facility with shopping, offices and residential units will work.  One place that comes to mind is where the Cottonwood Mall used to be in Holladay.

Age of the venue isn't the only consideration, however.  Its all about the fan experience.  How else do you explain Fenway Park or Madison Square garden?  The mistake that St. Louis made was managing to build a modern stadium that lacked a good fan experience.  That is why the Rams were the lowest attended team in the NFL.  That is why you no longer have a team there.  That is why the Jazz you may find only 600 or so empty seats when you want to see the Utah Jazz.  The fan experience is still positive.  Any new venue, as much as the focus is on luxury suits and revenue, needs to provide a good fan experience as well.  Otherwise, 15 years later, you have to build a new home before the old home is paid for.  St. Louis is an example of how not to do it.

Franchise moves in the NFL are rare, baseball, hockey and basketball have had moves since the Raiders and Rams both left LA.  Personally, I'm not disappointed to see the Rams back in LA.  To me, in my late 40s and old enough to remember Jack Youngblood and Vince Faragamo almost beat the Steelers in Super Bowl XIV, it seems like the Rams belong there and that all is right with the world.

Largest CSA (Combined Statistical Areas) without an NFL Franchise that are larger than Buffalo, the 2nd smallest NFL city.

1.  Portland/Vancouver (Home to NBA Blazers and MLS Timbers)
2.  St. Louis (Home to MLB Cardinals and NHL Blues)
3.  Sacramento (Home to NBA Kings)
4.  Salt Lake City/Provo (Home to NBA Jazz and MLS Real)
5.  Columbus (Home to NHL Blue Jackets and MLS Crew)
6.  San Antonio (Home to NBA Spurs)
7.  Las Vegas
8.  Raleigh/Durham (Home to NHL Hurricanes)
9.  Virginia Beach/Norfolk
10.  Greensboro/Winston-Salem
11.  Louisville
12.  Hartford
13.  Grand Rapids
14.  Greenville/Spartanburg
15.  Oklahoma City
16.  Memphis
17.  Birmingham
18.  Harrisburg

Largest CSA without a MLB franchise that are larger than Milwaukee, Baseball's smallest market.

1.  Portland/Vancouver
2.  Orlando (Home to NBA Magic and MLS Orlando City)
3.  Charlotte (Home to NBA Hornets and NFL Panthers)
4.  Sacramento
5.  Salt Lake City/Provo
6.  Columbus
7.  San Antonio
8.  Las Vegas

Largest CSA without an NBA franchise in the US that are larger than Memphis, the smallest NBA Market

1.  Seattle
2.  St. Louis
3.  Pittsburgh
4.  Kansas City
5.  Columbus
6.  Las Vegas
7.  Cincinnati
8.  Raleigh/Durham
9.  Nashville
10.  Virginia Beach
11.  Greensboro
12.  Jacksonville
13.  Louisville
14.  Hartford
15.  Grand Rapids
16.  Greenville/Spartanburg

(No comments on NHL or MLS, as the percentage of teams in Canada is higher.  Canada doesn't track a CSA.)

Largest CSA without any major sports franchises that are larger than Buffalo

1.  Las Vegas
2.  Virginia Beach/Norfolk
3.  Greensboro/Winston-Salem
4.  Louisville
5.  Hartford
6.  Grand Rapids
7.  Greenville/Spartanburg
8.  Birmingham
9.  Harrisburgh

Oldest NFL stadiums that were built before Rams and Raiders moved out of LA in 1995

1.  LA Colosseum, Rams** (Temporary home of the Rams--replaced by 2019)
2.  Soldier Field, Bears (Renovated in 2003)
3.  Lambeau Field, Packers (Renovated in 2015)
4. Colosseum, Raiders* (Renovated in 1995)
5.  Qualcomm Stadium, Chargers**
6.  Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs
7.  Ralph Wilson Stadium, Bills
8.  Superdome, Saints (Renovated 2006)
9.  Sunlife Stadium, Dolphins** (Currently undergoing renovations)
10.  Georgia Dome (New stadium under construction)

*Shared with MLB team
**Shared with NCAA college team

Oldest 10 arenas in the NBA

1.  Oracle Arena, Warriors (New arena under construction)
2.  Madison Square Garden IV, Knicks* (Renovated 2013)
3.  Bradley Center, Bucks
4.  Sleep Train Arena, Kings (New arena under construction)
5.  The Palace of Auburn Hills, Pistons
6.  Target Center, Timberwolves
7.  Vivint Smart Home Arena, Jazz
8.  Talking Stick Resort Arena, Suns
9.  Quicken Loans Arena, Cavaliers
10.  United Center, Bulls*

*Shared with NHL team

Oldest 10 arenas in the NHL

1.  Madison Square Garden IV, Rangers* (Renovated 2013)
2.  Rexall Place, Oilers
3.  Joe Lewis Arena, Red Wings
4.  Saddledome, Flames
5.  Honda Center, Ducks
6.  SAP Center, Sharks
7.  ScottTrade Center, Blues
8.  United Center, Blackhawks*
9.  Rogers Arena, Canucks
10. TD Garden, Bruins*

*Shared with NBA team

Oldest 10 stadiums in Baseball

1.  Fenway Park, Red Sox
2.  Wrigley Field, Cubs
3.  Dodger Stadium, Dodgers
4.  Angel Stadium of Anaheim, Angels
5. Colosseum, Athletics
6.  Kauffman Stadium, Royals
7.  Rogers Centre, Blue Jays
8.  Topicana Field, Rays
9.  US Cellular Field, White Sox
10.  Oriole Park at Camden Yards, Orioles

Teams that are in danger of moving








Blue Jackets